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I don’t get cable or streaming so won’t see this myself, but there is apparently an episode of “Extinct or Alive” airing on December 11, centered on the Ivory-billed Woodpecker (I believe in Louisiana). The show, led by scientist/outdoor-adventurer Forrest Galante is in its second season, but I really know little about it.
Galante was on the Joe Rogan podcast (2+ hrs.) earlier this year (though I don’t think the IBWO came up):
If anyone knows more about this specific IBWO episode, or wants to comment more generally about “Extinct or Alive” feel free to below. Otherwise, perhaps report on it after it airs, since I likely won't view it.
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Like other television animal presenters, Forrest Galante is becoming a bit controversial, so I'll be curious about the angle he takes on this and how he postures his own expertise. He recently claimed credit for rediscovering a crocodile (https://tinyurl.com/wewpnae) when another researcher had independently surveyed the same area and has already published details (https://tinyurl.com/tttadua). Can't tell yet who did the surveys first, but it looks like the scientist quietly did the right thing by publishing and the presenter made his noisy splash with the media.
I do give Forrest Galante and his crew credit for their enthusiasm and perseverance in pursuing animals thought to be extinct and functionally extinct. The episode regarding Forrest's search for an Ivory-billed Woodpecker is available prior to its "on-air" Animal Planet debut on "Extinct or Alive" is available at the following link: https://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/extinct-or-alive/full-episodes/ivory-billed-woodpecker-of-the-bayou
Several possibilities are available for signing in, such as with your Spectrum ID. Not surprisingly, no definitive proof of the Ivory-billed Woodpecker was obtained in the episode. However, a very interesting video clip obtained from a camera mounted on an Ivory-billed Woodpecker decoy showed a brief view of the body and wing of a bird flashing by the decoy. The white on the flight feathers of the wing appeared to me to be on the posterior (rear) margin of the wing, although I could not tell for certain. The remainder of the wing appeared black. Forrest, on viewing a freeze frame of the clip, stated that the white on the wing excluded the Pileated Woodpecker, which is not true, as the Pileated Woodpecker has a broad white area to the anterior of the underside of its wings and a much smaller anterior-to-posterior white area on the dorsal surface of its wings. As many of you know, the much smaller Red-headed Woodpecker, like the Ivory-billed Woodpecker, also has a white margin at the rear of its wings. I will be interested to read the opinion of others regarding the brief non-definitive clip of the bird passing the Ivory-billed Woodpecker decoy. Forrest Gallant did include some footage of his conversation with Mike Collins in the episode.
Thanks for the summary; I don't have a "TV provider" so will just wait for the episode to show up on YouTube, but if anyone else views it tomorrow (or earlier) and wants to comment on it, feel free.
The white on the wing in freeze-frame doesn't appear to match either pileated or ivorybill. And the belly of the bird looks grey, which also suggests neither is correct.
He made a number of presumptions which have been questioned by students of the IBWO data--
1. the calls he used were "male mating calls"?
2. IBWOs will visit suet feeders?
3. walking through habitat is a viable way of finding IBWOs?
I watched it. I didn't hear any mention of Cornell's fake "rediscovery".
It was fun to see how fast ivory-bill "sightings" get debunked by a few people carrying cameras and iPhones. A blurry "ivory-bill" quickly becomes a red-bellied woodpecker, and woodpeckers that seem very large, or maybe seem to have ivory-bill wing patterns, or seem to have a white bill, quickly become pileateds.
Oh well.
Tom couldn't figure out that pumping billions of tons of CO2 (a universally accepted green house gas even by most bad scientists) into our atmosphere MUST heat the planet.....and now he wants to be an expert on why and how the IBWO is definitely extinct.
I like having him calling the rediscovery fake. He had no ability with climate change, an easy one, that high schoolers grasp. Some how I do not trust his ability with ecology, genetics and accurate video analysis...………….let alone the dynamics of a finding a very wary bird in hundred thousand acre blocks of habitat.
go burn some coal
Anonymous, until you can tell me exactly what caused Minoan/Roman/Medieval warm periods, Dark Ages/LIA cooling, early 20th cent. warming, & mid-20th cent. cooling, I refuse to believe U understand natural variability enough to rule it out as the #1 post-1970s warming cause.
Catastrophic anthropogenic global warming is the most massive scientific fraud in human history.
From "A Bunch of Amateurs": NYT's Jack Hitt re: my blog's debunking of peer-reviewed ivory-bill nonsense:
https://twitter.com/tan123/status/547051178190991361
So nice of Tom to take time away from The Flat Earth Society and the hoax of spherical Earthism to come visit us here.
Anon 1 here again. Tom as I stated above you are no expert on climate or status of the IBWO.
In response you proudly give us a link ( below) where the author states " Tom is no expert"..Not sure whats funnier....that you were so proud to be in some lame tweet...............or that you are proving comments on your acumen on subjects dear to some of us.
Do you really want to be here? It's not censored like your blog bog or like IB Research Forum. Foolish ideas are not safe here as they were/are there.
Will answer within 4 days two of your questions if you answer my two in rounds (1 climate change, one IB evidence ) . All answers rated 0-10 in three categories..... for scientific truthfulness,. critical thinking, humor (0 to 30 max/q) .Judged by the public and/or CT .
Loser congrats the other for whipping their silly arse and admits they could be wrong on pertinent subject. Now don't be hard to find like the IB.....
Tom's link From "A Bunch of Amateurs": NYT's Jack Hitt re: my blog's debunking of peer-reviewed ivory-bill nonsense:
https://twitter.com/tan123/status/547051178190991361
Pseudo-skeptics are nowhere to be found, as is usual. Looking carefully at data is part of the process; that's good and accepted. What the Nelson ilk have done for the bird and climate data was always childish and amateurish even for the internet.
Very little they proposed was good, skeptical science.
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